Gold is Gold – Scrap Gold Can Be Found in the Strangest Places.

With the economy in the shape it’s in, we get calls from people asking some pretty strange questions. Every week, we get asked if we buy other metals, or if we just deal in gold. The answer is that we don’t buy aluminum cans or old copper wire, and we don’t do much with silver, either. (When you consider the difference between $18 an ounce versus $1200 an ounce, you can understand why.) But if something is made of gold, we are interested. However, there needs to be a substantial gold component, or the processing doesn’t justify the value received.

Things We Do Buy

Of course, gold jewelry is the biggest portion of our business. We also buy some gold coins, but that isn’t really something we specialize in. We really are recyclers of gold, not speculators. But anything that is made of gold is fair game.

We have purchased the filings and grindings that are left over from the jewelry making process. We have also bought some of the sprues and other little odds and ends that are cut off after a piece of jewelry is removed from the mold. We have dealt with some amateur jewelers who have rings and whatnot that they never finished, and now the gold is worth more than when they bought it.

Another source of gold can be old dental work. This week we dealt with a family that was cleaning out the home after their mother had died. Tucked away in a drawer were four old crowns – with the teeth still in them! When they called to ask if we would buy them, we said we would – but asked that they get a pair of pliers and try to remove all the ‘extra material’ that wasn’t gold. When we met, there was only one that still had the old filling still in it. A little judicious pressure applied from a pair of pliers, and all we had left was four little pieces of 18 karat gold. Of course, crowns aren’t all that big or heavy – who would want that much weight in their mouth? – but we were still able to give them $90 dollars. Even though the wife thought it was a little creepy, who would throw $90 dollars in the trash?

Things We Don’t Buy

We once received a call from a business that had 1100 computer chips. Each of the prongs on each chip was plated in gold. Unfortunately, the advancements in manufacturing technology means that they can get by with less and less gold in their products, so the amount of gold in each chip was only worth a few cents. Compared to some of the older Pentium processors – which had about $10 of gold per chip – the cost to grind them down and extract the gold was prohibitive.

This week, we had a lady show up with 6 gold plated spoons and forks. Unfortunately, gold plated products are also not worth the trouble to try to extract the gold. Once everything is melted down, the percentage of gold makes processing cost prohibitive.

Keep Your Eyes Open For Sources of Scrap Gold

Bottom line – gold is gold, and it’s worth money. While we might scratch our heads sometimes, we will try to work with you to figure out if what you have is valuable. If not, well, you haven’t lost much. And who knows? You might stumble on something that has real value.

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The Difference Between Gold Jewelry and Scrap Gold

We get a lot of calls from people who want to sell their gold jewelry. South Kansas City Gold Buyer is a buyer of scrap gold. We don’t deal in gold “jewelry” like a jewelry store might. Everything we buy gets melted down.

If it’s broken, bent, old or ugly, we love to buy it. If you have an antique or exceptionally fine piece, we aren’t for you. We don’t buy anything and try to sell it as fine jewelry – that just isn’t the business we are in. We are like the guys who recycle old cars for the steel, or aluminum cans  to make new airplanes. We just put the metal back into the supply chain.

One problem jewelry sellers face is the current economic climate. People are hard up for cash – like many sellers – and aren’t buying luxury items. Most people are looking to sell jewelry instead of buy it. It just isn’t a sellers market right now. If you think you have something really valuable, we would recommend that you try a jeweler, consignment shop or just sell it yourself. Just be really careful that they aren’t offering you scrap value, instead of actually buying your piece as jewelry.

If you aren’t sure where you should sell your jewelry, we can help you figure it out. Read our recommendations for the best place to sell your old gold.

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Helping Our Clients Get the Best Price When They Sell Gold

Another Satisfied Customer

I met with a lady who had a few old 10KT gold rings, a small 14KT gold chain and some mismatched 14KT gold earrings. She had taken them to a “jewelry doctor” in a local mall and they had offered her $150 for the lot. After assessing and weighing her items, we were able to offer her $230 for the same items. She happily accepted this amount.

Our offer was about 63% of the spot price of gold (which is just about our average). That means the other place was offering about 40%. While that is still better than the Cash for Gold guys on late-night TV, it shows that even among local buyers there is a wide difference in the price offered for scrap gold. We offered half again as much. The bottom line: an extra $80 in her pocket.

Some people are reluctant to meet with us since we don’t have a store that we staff (and pay for). But this well illustrates the reason why we prefer to be a mobile gold buying operation. The person who ultimately pays for all that extra overhead is the client. We would rather give you the best possible price for your old gold.

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I Want to Sell My Gold, But is it Real Gold, Gold Filled or Gold Plated?

We see a lot of jewelry in the course of our business, so we have developed an eye for what is real gold jewelry and what isn’t. How can the average person know whether the gold they want to sell is real, solid gold or something else?

First, pass a magnet over it. This isn’t foolproof, but if the item reacts to the magnet, it definitely isn’t solid gold jewelry. The exception is parts that need more strength, like clasps or springs or such. They might sometimes have a small amount of iron for strength.

Second, look for markings. Although this isn’t foolproof – we see a lot of fake gold  that says 14KT on it – it’s a good place to start. If it says something different than a number followed by K or KT, it might not be real.

For example, gold filled jewelry might say 14KT GF, or 14 GF. As another example, plated items will have a fraction in front – something like 1/10-14KT or 1/20-14KT. That simply means that there is gold plating rather than solid gold.

Another marking to look for is 925. That would indicate sterling silver, sometimes plated with gold.

Some older items may have the markings worn down, or might never have been marked at all. If in doubt, bring it along. A reputable gold buyer will test it for you and let you know what you’ve got. If it isn’t real gold, they should explain how they determined that to you and give the item back.

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Beware of Gold Buying “Experts”

This week, I bought some old gold coins that a customer had pulled out of an old belt buckle. There was one $20 gold coin from 1905 and four tiny $1 gold coins from the 1850′s. Unfortunately, they had been pressed and soldered into the buckle, and they were pretty much ruined in the extraction process. Despite this, I thought I would go to a couple of coin dealers here in Kansas City to see if they were salvageable.

My first stop was a fairly respectable looking pawn shop in a nice neighborhood. They advertised its owner as a former Numismatic Society president, so I thought I’d give them a shot. He glanced at the coins, declared them to be scrap and said he’d test them to see if they were real gold and make an offer. I declined to wait around for that. His brusque manner annoyed me. He acted like I was bothering him by trying to do business with him. No wonder people want to avoid the pawn shops.

My next stop was a store that claimed to deal in precious metals, gems and rare gold coins. They took one look at the coins and told me they were fake. Since I had already tested the coins when I bought them, I was a bit taken aback. When I asked if he meant fake coins, he stated that they weren’t even gold. When I pressed him on how he knew that, he told me that he could tell just by looking. I asked him how that was possible (because it isn’t – as I’ve noted before in my post Can you tell real gold by sight?). He just showed me a different coin that he had on display and then declared that my coin wasn’t the same color, so it wasn’t gold. He declared definitively that my coin was trash and no one would ever buy it. Of course that wasn’t true, and we later melted it down as scrap and got a full ounce of gold out of it.

To me, those sorts of actions are completely unacceptable. They demonstrate that the gold buyer is either ignorant or uninterested. In either case, they don’t deserve to stay in business.

The bottom line: Just because someone claims to be a gold buying expert, that doesn’t make it true. When you want to sell gold jewelry or gold coins, don’t let anyone make statements that they can’t back up without positive proof. If I had listened to the self-proclaimed expert, I would have thrown away a full ounce of pure gold. While it’s true that not all that glitters is gold, some things that glitter are.

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We’re Accredited by the Better Business Bureau

South Kansas City Gold Buyer is now a BBB Accredited business. With all of the negative press around the Cash for Gold industry, we believe that this is an important factor in the choice of a gold buyer. When you want to sell your old gold items, you want to feel like you are being treated fairly and can trust the person you are dealing with.

To see our companies report go to our BBB page on the BBB site>

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Can You Tell Real Gold by Sight?

The quick answer to this question is, “No!” No one can look at a piece of gold or a coin and tell you just by looking at it if it’s real or not. If someone just gives a piece a cursory glance and announces it isn’t gold, you’d better ask them for more explanation.

That doesn’t mean that there aren’t visual clues. For example:

  • Gold won’t rust or tarnish, so any of that will indicate it isn’t real gold. On the other hand, it can still get dirty, so cleaning it may shine it up some.
  • Some pieces are marked as “Gold Filled” or “Gold Plated” and aren’t solid gold. That can often be seen by visual inspection.
  • Some gold colored watches are marked as Base Metal, whereas gold is a precious metal.

Any reputable gold buyer will test your items. If they won’t, they probably aren’t your best bet for selling your old gold jewelry. If in doubt, go somewhere else.

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How many Karats do I have?

One of the most important details when you sell gold is the purity of you items. The purity of your gold is measured in Karats (marked as K or KT). 24 karats is pure gold, but you won’t find any jewelry that is made of 24 karat gold. It’s too soft to hold its shape, so it would constantly come loose and fall off.

10 KT and 14KT jewelry is very common in the U.S. We will see some 18KT gold jewelry, but that is usually the finer, pricier pieces. Not many of those are sold as scrap gold, unless they’re broken. In other countries, like India, Iran or Iraq for example, 20KT or 22KT gold is more common. I’ve even seen some Indian pieces marked as 23KT gold.

With a lot of common pieces, the karats are stamped on the clasp or the inside of a ring, but this is not always true. Especially with some older pieces, the only way to know what you have is to test.

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What is a Fair Price for Old Gold?

When you decide to sell old gold jewelry, one of your chief concerns is to get a fair price. With the price of gold going higher every day, it would seem like you would be able to get a decent price for your scrap gold no matter where you go to sell it. Unfortunately, this isn’t the case.

There are a couple of issues that you need to be aware of when you decide to sell your old gold. First, there are definite costs involved in recovering the gold from whatever piece it is currently in. Buying, refining and selling all have costs associated with them, and each company along the way needs to make a decent profit.

The key thought here is that they deserve a decent profit. According to a Consumer Reports investigation, some Internet gold buyers are paying as little as 11% of the spot price of gold for the items people are sending in. That’s indecent to the point of being scandalous. In their article, Consumer Reports suggested that 50% was a reasonable offer. To give you an idea of how low the Internet guys are, our offers start at 60%, with 63% being closer to the average we round up to. Basically, they will pay you one-sixth the amount a local gold buyer like South Kansas City Gold Buyer will.

Second, as the old saying goes, knowledge is power. Many gold buyers will try to cloud the issue by using obscure systems of measurements (like pennyweights) that no one but a jeweler can use or weigh. Others will give you a quote by Troy ounce (which is different than a regular ounce) or by the gram. To us, the clearest and most direct way to quote a price is by the percentage of the spot price we will pay. And anybody you call can do that, even if they won’t admit to it. That’s how all of us get the price per pennyweight, gram or Troy ounce. We use some percentage off the spot price. If a buyer won’t tell you what percentage they are paying, move on.

So when you comparison shop, compare apples to apples. Ask for the percentage they are paying. And get a fair price for your old gold.

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Are Internet Gold Buyers Safe?

Selling your old gold isn’t something most people do very often. For most of my customers, it’s a one time event. They go through their old gold jewelry and pick out a few pieces they don’t use in order to turn it into quick cash. Even though there can be significant money involved, a lot of people don’t want to spend a lot of time investigating the ins and outs of the gold buying industry.

In many ways, the Internet has made a lot of things more convenient. I do my banking and bill paying on line. There are a lot of things that I buy online. The savings in time, gas and energy makes these activities worthwhile. Sometimes, it’s a little bit of a hassle to wait for an item – like a book – to be shipped. But if I can pay half the price for the same book as I would get at a local bookstore, why not?

But selling your old gold isn’t like buying books online. There are a lot of factors to consider and a lot of variables that come into play. In my opinion, it’s always better to deal with someone face to face. It may seem convenient to order an envelope, pack up your gold,  drop it into the mail and then wait for a check. But how do you know that the check you get back is what your gold was really worth?

In all honesty, you don’t.  So why use the Internet buyers? Many people don’t want to go to their local gold buyers and spend the time shopping. Some people think first of pawn shops – who have long been traditional buyers of jewelry – and they don’t like the treatment or atmosphere. They like the idea of the convenience of doing the whole business by mail. But that convenience has a price.

In November 2009, Consumer Reports investigated the Internet gold buyers. What did they find? That they were offered between 11% and 29% of the value of their gold. You can read their article Cashing in gold? Here’s the catch. on their website. By comparison, South Kansas City Gold Buyer payouts are usually in the 60% to 65% range. That’s quite a difference.

Should you sell your old gold jewelry through the mail? Consumer Reports doesn’t think s0. Neither do we. Take the time to find a reputable, local gold buyer. You’ll be much happier with the results.

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